Crashing in BGs

Serverhopper · Post by **Serverhopper** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:55 pm

BTW, I have Trend Micro AntiVirus and Spysweeper which is what Best Buy/ Geek Squad uses, so my comp should be just as safe as next guy if not safer. Plus I only go to mainstream websites, and I don't open unknown emails.
Lets say it's not spyware, is it normal for a computers performance to go down overtime if its overused (such as PvPing for several hours straight everyday)? Could it have been running my computer on too high of graphics settings and too fast of an internet connection strained the comp? Anyone else notice a decrease in their comps performance?

I know I put a lot out there, I'm really tired right now, pardon me if I rambled. It's just this problem with the bgs crashing has made them nearly unplayable and I wanna get down to the bottom of this. I look foward to reading everyones input.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:13 pm

As far as performance goes yes, I think it is normal for it to go down over time, not so much because the computer gets worse (although Windows does tend to get slower over time anyway), but because more gets added to the game. If you've had your computer since last March, there's been a whole lot added to the game since then, many new items with new textures, some of which are pretty detailed, then there's the new zone etc. All more stuff for your computer to have to handle. My pc's performance has gone down over time, and when I got a new monitor the other day and had to go up a screenres it got even worse, so I've just given up and ordered a new PC - this one was fine 3 years ago but just can't handle it any more.

Back to the BGs, I also get that message about names being skipped (of people on other servers), no idea if it's related or not but yeah.

Oh, and now 3 days of intensive pvping with C+ disabled, still zero crashes. Reaching the conclusion that it's unlikely to crash while C+ remains disabled.

DM. · Post by **DM.** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:19 pm

I believe the name gets skipped because you can only see part of the person's guild name in the /who results that get sent back from the server so thats why it gets skipped. And its useless when its partial so no need for Rollie to even bother recording cross realm data when only part of the data gets returned.
But its for other realms. Names on your own server will still get processed like normal.

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:18 pm

I built my computer with top of the line stuff over 5 years ago, and I used to run the game on max graphics... but I've had to back off a bit lately. Even upgrading to 2 gigs ram and a 256 MB graphics card didn't do much for my framerates, so now I've just resigned myself to having to build myself a new computer. Of course, I don't exactly have the fundage to do that right now, so I've also resigned myself to having to wait

I still haven't crashed in bgs recently, and I've had C+ running the whole time, so I'm not sure exactly how it'll work out.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:41 pm

Alright, after 3 days of intensive BG'ing with C+ disabled and zero crashes, I thought I'd try it the other way. Running only Censusplus, to rule out clashes between it and other addons... I crashed in the middle of my 3rd EotS game of the night (incidentally right as I ressed, interesting how I'd say about 50% of my crashes are within 1-2 sec of me dying/ressing, or my target dying... it's not all by any means but it seems to happen often)

Guess at least now I can enable all my other addons, as it's pretty clear the issue is with C+, now the question is what's making it do this. I actually have a new PC ordered, so when I get that in a couple of weeks I'll do some testing to see if I still get the crashes then. Maybe there's some hardware/software issue, since I assume more people would be complaining if this was an issue that affected everyone using Censusplus.

samothosch · Post by **samothosch** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:38 am

@Balgair

sorry to say but I have a new PC (E8400,GF9800XT,Vista64,4GB RAM,MSI Platinum MB) and Census still crashes the BGs. It doesn?t crash it when it is in manual state and I don?t run a query in the BG.

I have a feeling this has something to do with the code change for male/female chars but who knows.

btw, running WoW german client just as a note.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:35 am

The code change didn't affect the english client however, which is what I run, and obviously what the US guys run as well. Can't figure out what could've changed in 2.4 that triggered this though

(Offtopic, it's actually a shame the male/female chars didn't get some differences added in english too as it'd be nice to be able to get some stats on genders played - heck it'd be nice even to see it in /who anyway!)

Did you also get the crashes before you got your new PC (assuming that was after 2.4)? My thought is if changing my system makes a difference or not... suspect not but it may give some clues if it does.

samothosch · Post by **samothosch** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:38 am

yes, had the crashing also with the old PC (P4 3Ghz,2GB, GF7800)

As a workaround wouldn?t it be possible to have autocensus check if it?s in a BG and then don?t query ?

xpolockx · Post by **xpolockx** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:28 pm

I haven't crashed in awhile, but it wasn't related to censusing during a BG as far as I can tell... I don't have autocensus on (I always just take them manually) but often I'll run them while I'm in battlegrounds. I haven't noticed any kind of increase in crashes while a census is running as opposed to just being in the battleground with censusplus enabled. Of course this is just my experience, your mileage may vary

DM. · Post by **DM.** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:43 pm

I'm begging for it to crash... but it hasn't yet in days..... I guess I should do more AV's in a day

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:29 pm

I crashed earlier today so still going strong, though it was only once in a few games. Again, happened 1 sec after I ressed, weird... I'm sure it happens more often at the time of dying or ressing than it should by pure chance. However 50% or so of crashes aren't obviously connected to deaths so that's still not the only factor.

Post by **Rollie** » Thu May 15, 2008 4:14 pm

Next time you crash, if you think about it, check and see if there is any recent C+ info in the taint log. I'm going to do the same.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Fri May 16, 2008 6:12 pm

None in mine, had 3 crashes in a row in EotS earlier, first crash had a ton of UnitButtons and Deadly Boss Mods taintspam in the log but no C+, 2nd had a ton of UnitButtons only, 3rd had nothing whatsoever (admittedly I crashed about 5 sec after getting back in that time)

Again, these crashes are just so unpredictable, been pvping for about 4-5 hours now, no crashes except those 3 in the space of a few minutes... then it stopped again. I changed nothing, did nothing, no idea wtf triggers it.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:50 am

Oh my goodness! I have been crashing too.

I have been crashing only in BG's and I could not figure out why. I even posted on the Tech boards and they gave me that annoying macro response. =/ I replaced my graphics card and power supply thinking it was something wrong with my computer.

Honestly I've been completely avoiding all BG's because of this annoying crash thing. I can crash every 5 minutes or go 3 days without crashes. It is very very random and nothing unusual is ever going on when I do. If it's Census, then that actually makes me happy because I was ready to throw my computer out the window. Disabling Census is a much easier fix than buying a new computer.

Here are a few of my crashes. Note the location on all of them. They may all look the same, but these are all unique crashes.

This application has encountered a critical error:

ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
Program: C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:00798575

The instruction at "0x00798575" referenced memory at "0x00000F64".
The memory could not be "read".

WoWBuild: 8125
Realm: Mal'Ganis [206.17.111.124:3724]
Local Zone: Stonehearth Graveyard, Alterac Valley

This application has encountered a critical error:

ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
Program: C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:00798575

The instruction at "0x00798575" referenced memory at "0x00000F64".
The memory could not be "read".

WoWBuild: 8125
Realm: Mal'Ganis [206.17.111.124:3724]
Local Zone: Frostwolf Keep, Alterac Valley

This application has encountered a critical error:

ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
Program: C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:004A6F60

The instruction at "0x004A6F60" referenced memory at "0x000002F0".
The memory could not be "read".

WoWBuild: 8125
Realm: Mal'Ganis [206.17.111.79:3724]
Local Zone: Dun Baldar, Alterac Valley

This application has encountered a critical error:

ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
Program: C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:00798575

The instruction at "0x00798575" referenced memory at "0x00000F64".
The memory could not be "read".

WoWBuild: 8125
Realm: Mal'Ganis [206.17.111.79:3724]
Local Zone: Alterac Valley

Add-ons enabled:
Bagnon
Bongos2
CensusPlus
FishingBuddy
Gatherer
MapCoords
MiniCoords
MozzFullWorldMap
Perl
QuestLevel
sct

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:35 am

That sounds very very familiar! As far as I can tell it's Censusplus; whenever I disable it there's no crashes, but enabled... well I can go a while without crashes but they'll come sooner or later. At the moment they're driving me mad because they're coming in batches where I crash 3-4 times in a row... then I'm fine for a few hours, sigh. Only addons I have in common with you are C+ and SCT, and I've had the crashes with only C+ enabled. Still can't see a logical reason why Census would be causing crashes though, it's a weird one.

Interestingly I'm still seeing times when I crash and a few others in my same group appear offline when I return, dunno if that's coincidence or what but it's happened a few times now.

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:32 am

Balgair wrote:That sounds very very familiar! As far as I can tell it's Censusplus; whenever I disable it there's no crashes, but enabled... well I can go a while without crashes but they'll come sooner or later. At the moment they're driving me mad because they're coming in batches where I crash 3-4 times in a row... then I'm fine for a few hours, sigh. Only addons I have in common with you are C+ and SCT, and I've had the crashes with only C+ enabled. Still can't see a logical reason why Census would be causing crashes though, it's a weird one.

Interestingly I'm still seeing times when I crash and a few others in my same group appear offline when I return, dunno if that's coincidence or what but it's happened a few times now.

The funny thing is I am not really sure how long this has been going on for though. I leveled a horde to 70 these past few months, so I wasn't going into any BG's. As soon as I hit 70, however, is when I started to BG.

Going into my WoWerror folder I see my first crashed was on April 12. I am not sure if that corresponds with a patch or if I just hit 70 and decided to run BG's then. Prior to this, I have had 10 crashes in my entire WoW career. One of them was on Blizzard's end and another was a corrupt file and a 134 error. There are only a handful of 132 errors even in the folder, so when I am crashing it's a big deal to me.

Sound was brought up in the thread and I can say with 100% certainty that I play WoW without any sound. I have not added the nosound thing to the end, however in the sound options, I have all sounds disabled at the top. /shrug

This is my comp. I am not sure if we have anything in common that could be causing the problem. I am not always good with keeping my drivers up dated either. lol This is a small portion of a dxdiag.

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_qfe.070227-2300)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: EMACHINES
System Model: T5048
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 450MB used, 2016MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7800 GT

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:02 am

With me it started the day 2.4 came out, absolutely no doubt that it came with 2.4, as I'd been BGing before that no problem, then the very day of the patch crashes started. Think it took me a week or so to post about it on here, as it took me that long to reach Censusplus in my process of elimination testing with addons disabled, even then I wasn't sure, but I have to be at least 99% sure now just because of the way the pattern's always gone

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: alienware
System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: BIOS Date: 07/22/04 11:41:59 Ver: 08.00.09
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3070MB RAM
Page File: 1223MB used, 3227MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 6800 Ultra

oiseaux · Post by **oiseaux** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:45 am

Hmm okay well I don't see anything that similar. Now that I know what is causing the crashes perhaps I will jump in a few games on my hunter and see what I can find.

I am sooo glad that I found this thread because I was really starting to become irritated crashing 4-5 times back to back in an AV.

Post by **Rollie** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:08 am

Yeah, I'm still getting it as well, and for the life of me I can't figure out why it is doing so. I am continuing to dig.

Balgair · Post by **Balgair** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:28 pm

Hope you can find something soon as this is really starting to annoy me... crashed about 7 times in the last couple of hours

It may be pure coincidence but it seems to have become noticeably more frequent since I reenabled a couple of mods the other day (KillingFields and TuringTest Leech Monitor) - I've had them disabled ever since first hitting the crashes as I figured BG mods were the first port of call, clearly I get the crashes without them enabled, but interesting if they do anything to make it worse. Or maybe it's pure luck!

Ending up disabling C+ for the rest of tonight before I end up breaking my mouse or keyboard in frustration at yet another crash...