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The idea is great in having the census, but is there any way to remove my character's profile from showing up? I don't like the fact that I have no control on whats shown about my character. Infact, I think its just rude. I want to be able to have the option to NOT show my characters profile to everyone.

Hmmm, the census only records char name, level, guild affiliation and things readily available to anyone logged into the game, I see no reason whatsoever why displaying this information over time is an issue.

I don't particularly like certain other plugins that stores "inspect" information about my character and having that available in-game through and executable accessing an external database but as long as Blizzard allows ui's to do it there isn't much to do.

Out of curiosity, what objection do you have with your character's information being publically available?

Let me put it this way. I know that I have no control with the information "in-game", thats to what I agreed when I accepted the agreement to play WoW. But no where did I agree to have my characters information posted on the net other than the "official" WoW website. It would make more sense and to the respect of the players to atleast have the option of "hiding" a characters profile. Like when I claimed my characters, to have a checkbox or something to have the option to hide the characters profile from being searched and or viewed.

Beside legalities I can understand, especially on a pvp server, that you don't want your opponent to know too much about you.

I am still curious as to why you object to having character history available?

The reason I really want to know the answer to this is due to one of the major reasons the character history is available in the first place. It is a place where potential guild leaders can come to research a particular character's history. If a character has been a guild hopper, then this can give a recruiter insight into a character.

As for the PVP arguement. The only thing you can find here that you cannot get in game is if a player is way higher level than you. And why would you care about that unless you are ashamed that you are out ganking lowbies? And if that is the case, why are you doing it in the first place?

I still have not seen a compelling arguement as to why someone's history should be hidden other than 'I just don't want it to be available'. To me, the benefits for other players outweighs that superficial response.

Not everyone would like to have any information about themselves displayed publicly. If such information is to be made public it should be up to that individual to give consent. Like in your point about guild leaders checking up on a character for guild hopping. The way I see it, if they really wanted to know, in my opinion, all they have to do is ask. Not give them an option to "spy"or go behind someones back and look them up. Thats wrong. Also, it even lists the last time they were on. I think its too much information being publicly displayed. An option to hide that information would be nice. That would show that you respect the right for that player to have an option not to show there characters information and to the whole World of Warcraft community. But displaying such information without such option is like a slap in the face.

Hmmm, all he has to do is ask? You don't really believe that loot stealers and players cleaning out guild cash and resources are going to tell you that they are infamous guild hoppers do you?

Anyway, I really don't understand the problem, you are asking for public information about an online persona owned by Blizzard not to be displayed in any way, shape or form without your consent and the reason you give seem to have something to do with privacy? There is no link between your person and the online persona available unless you choose to make it so.

The only reasons I can see for hiding this information is when you intend to deceive someone with regards to the history of the character, on an rp server I can see valid reasons for this though in general that particular roleplaying style is very rarely worth spending time on. The players I know that have wanted to hide their backgrounds have in my experience been guilty of things like racism and ninja looting or worse and I very much prefer information to be public to spare people those experiences when possible.

Nothing on the site is "bad" lists your guilds and level progress, quite nice acutally. And it shows how active you are by when you last where on. Only reason not to show it is if you were guilty of something, so are you really trying to tell us something?

pepsi_cola wrote:Not everyone would like to have any information about themselves displayed publicly. If such information is to be made public it should be up to that individual to give consent. Like in your point about guild leaders checking up on a character for guild hopping. The way I see it, if they really wanted to know, in my opinion, all they have to do is ask. Not give them an option to "spy"or go behind someones back and look them up. Thats wrong. Also, it even lists the last time they were on. I think its too much information being publicly displayed. An option to hide that information would be nice. That would show that you respect the right for that player to have an option not to show there characters information and to the whole World of Warcraft community. But displaying such information without such option is like a slap in the face.

So .. the answer to Rollie is: Because I want control.

Is that is? is that the long and short of your argument? Oh ... yea ... the bit about: "slap in the face" = feelings.

So ... the your arguement is: Because I am a sensitive control freak.

And the counter to the arguement is: That's your problem, the tool is there by reasonable request to serve a purpose whether you "feel good" about it or not.

BTW ... only **** and rats scurry when you turn on the light This information is "light" ... don't be a **** or a rat and you won't have a problem.

First off, I want to say that there is no reason to sit there and insult me on an issue like this. All I have done was ask for a simple request to hide a character profile from being viewed. Not everybody is the same and would want there chararcters information shown. If you like your info shown, good for you. But for those that don't, there is no way they can keep there info from being shown. Also, I am not hiding anything nor I am not guilty of anything. If such information is "owned by Blizzard", then why display it without there consent. Like I stated before, in Blizzards agreement, there is nothing that says that my characters information can be freely obtained by hackers to be displayed on the web.

One note, start up the game, and click on the "Terms of Use" button and read paragraph 2c. You will see that collecting information from the game is prohibited.

Like I stated before, in Blizzards agreement, there is nothing that says that my characters information can be freely obtained by hackers to be displayed on the web.

Lol Hackers?? This addon uses games commands to get the info, all the info that is here could have been searched using game features, witten on a paper and put on the internet. Apart that the paragraph 2c you mention doesn't say collecting information is forbidden, it says

2. Limitations on Your Use of World of Warcraft.
C. You may not modify World of Warcraft to change game play, including, but not limited to, the creation of cheats and/or hacks, nor may you use any third-party software which is running at the same time as World of Warcraft that accesses files which are part of World of Warcraft, for any reason whatsoever. Additionally, you may not utilize any "packet sniffing" software, regardless of the operating system utilized by such software and regardless of whether or not such tools are running on the same computer as the client or any computer connected to that client or its network, or otherwise monitor World of Warcraft's network connection while you or anyone else is playing World of Warcraft.

Nothing of this is done by CensusPlus, that i know

I do not know where you found that, or maybe you simply just edited it for your viewing pleasure. Here is the link to the Terms of Agreement:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Once again, read paragraph 2c. on the link above.

I read it, I read it all very carefully and you just don't know what are you talking about.

C. You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of a World of Warcraft installation; (ii) create or use cheats, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience; (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through World of Warcraft; or (iv) allows players who are playing characters aligned with the "Alliance" faction to chat or otherwise communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the "Horde" faction, or vice versa. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update World of Warcraft with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and use authorized Third Party User Interfaces as set forth in Section 13(f), below.

Census+ is not a third-party software as stated in (iii) but a Third Party User Interface as stated at the end of paragraph. As for the time being all Third Party User Interfaces are legal from the Blizzard's point of view. Next time do your homework.

This is getting rather heated it seems =)

In all honesty, what you are requesting is on my to do list, however it is not at the top of the list.

I simply would like to hear what in my opinion is a valid reason for not displaying character history. I think I can see by looking at your own character history data that you may not wish others to see yours because your history is exactly the type that I describe in my above post =)

All that being said, you will eventually have the option to have character history hidden, although there will be some added features that may make the history irrelevant anyway =)

Haha. Honestly this topic is lame, just face it, it ain't going to happen.

In reply to Lukas statement I have this to say:

You quoted paragraph 2c. But look at what paragraph 13f, that talks about third party user interfaces, that you failed to read on as stated in paragraph 2c:

F. The use of any "user interface" other than the user interface that is included in the World of Warcraft Software ("Third Party User Interface") is not recommended by Blizzard Entertainment, and you hereby agree to indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard Entertainment from all claims, damages, and other losses which may arise from your use of a Third Party User Interface. At such time that Blizzard elects to post a list of approved Third-Party User Interfaces on its website, you agree that you will use only those Third-Party User Interfaces approved by Blizzard, and that you will use no other Third-Party User Interfaces in connection with World of Warcraft.

As far as I know, Census+ is not an approved third party user interface. You talked about homework, I suggest you do yours first.

pepsi_cola wrote: As far as I know, Census+ is not an approved third party user interface. You talked about homework, I suggest you do yours first.

And as far as I know, no UI has been officially approved or disapproved by Blizzard. So I hope you don't use any UI mods!

Pepsi_cola, Luka hit it on the head. Census+ is a User Interface Modification and not a Software product because it works with the supplied lua programming tools that Blizzard provides and supports unofficially to some degree (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board ... tomization). When I say unofficially I mean that Blizzard supports the tools and relating pertitent information about their own interface to the community but they do not support the individual modifications themselves.

Most of us are not trying to pick on you personally Pepsi_cola, it's just most of us cannot understand a valid reason for wanting to hide any information collected by Census+.

Just to summarize both sides as I understand them:

Argument for NOT HIDING Census+ profiles
1. Useful for guild leaders in identifying potentially inconsistent player behavior (ie: guild hoping by ninja looters)
2. Useful for character history (ie: how long it has taken to level/player activity level)
3. Legitimacy of Census+ statistics. (ie: data should be verifiable)
4. Useful for more accurate data export. (ie: hiding data would make lists less accurate)
5. More accurate guild members list. (ie: again hiding data would make this less useful)
6. More work to change the system so that it can hide character profiles but still keep as much data integrity as possible.

Argument for HIDING Census+ profiles
1. Privacy.

I can't think of anything else at this time other than that. Please feel free to enlighten me on the subject. But if Rollie were to allow hiding of profiles then it would undermine the goal of this project. It would essentially change what Warcraft Census is all about:

What is the Warcraft Census?
WarcraftRealm's WoW Census is the #1 site for World of Warcraft population tracking. WarcraftRealms boasts the broadest range of viewing options, the most accurate data, and the most updated data. The data can be viewed by server(realm), faction, class, race, guild, and even level...

- http://www.warcraftrealms.com/censusfaq.php

And a VERY BIG thank you to Rollie for all his work and effort!

Hero wrote:

pepsi_cola wrote:Not everyone would like to have any information about themselves displayed publicly. If such information is to be made public it should be up to that individual to give consent. Like in your point about guild leaders checking up on a character for guild hopping. The way I see it, if they really wanted to know, in my opinion, all they have to do is ask. Not give them an option to "spy"or go behind someones back and look them up. Thats wrong. Also, it even lists the last time they were on. I think its too much information being publicly displayed. An option to hide that information would be nice. That would show that you respect the right for that player to have an option not to show there characters information and to the whole World of Warcraft community. But displaying such information without such option is like a slap in the face.

So .. the answer to Rollie is: Because I want control.

Is that is? is that the long and short of your argument? Oh ... yea ... the bit about: "slap in the face" = feelings.

So ... the your arguement is: Because I am a sensitive control freak.

And the counter to the arguement is: That's your problem, the tool is there by reasonable request to serve a purpose whether you "feel good" about it or not.

BTW ... only **** and rats scurry when you turn on the light This information is "light" ... don't be a **** or a rat and you won't have a problem.

lmao
i love you hero can i have your babies?

**** and rats indeed.
a) call pepsi co and let one of their lawyers chase that guys IP
b) block said ip
c) is he posting on the blizz boards complaining that ppl can inspect him or /who him?