Character Profile Control?

[Luka]

In reply to Lukas statement I have this to say:

You quoted paragraph 2c. But look at what paragraph 13f, that talks about third party user interfaces, that you failed to read on as stated in paragraph 2c

No I didn't fail, it's just you didn't understand it again. Let me explain it to you step by step.

F. The use of any "user interface" other than the user interface that is included in the World of Warcraft Software ("Third Party User Interface") is not recommended by Blizzard Entertainment

It's not recommended to use Third Party UI but not forbidden, aye?

At such time that Blizzard elects to post a list of approved Third-Party User Interfaces on its website, you agree that you will use only those Third-Party User Interfaces approved by Blizzard, and that you will use no other Third-Party User Interfaces in connection with World of Warcraft.

For sure when Blizzard posts such list I will use only those Third-Party User Interfaces approved by Blizzard. But hey - such list doesn't exist and to be honest they won't make such list - go and ask them why. So as you see Census+ is perfectly legal third party user interface based on the legal Blizzard UI scripting language. Now please go away.

[Xianna]

dont go away mad... just go away?

[Izzy]

I understand Pep's point, although he got a little upset.

I was part of a group of people that mergered with different guilds along the way. Now while my census looks like a case of "guild hoping." Its just a normal product of the game. Guilds split and guilds merge. It happens as groups of players and their playing habits change. Now if I go to leave this group of people it will be hard to get into a reputable guild because it appears that I've been in say six different guilds. Not good on the surface.

I just think its a matter of privacy. Some people don't like everyone to know their business, even if there is no ill intent. I'm just the type of person who just sticks with the same group of people and just like to play. I just don't want my toon's information plastered everywhere... just because.

[Xianna]

Izzy, I would assume that any large or high end guild on your server would be aware of the guild mergers and dissolutions.
The issue is when someone applies to a high end raiding guild. They could put on their application that they are level 60 and have solo'd their entire 60 levels with minimal guild activity due to playtime, or whatever. In reality they could be a guild hopper who in 60 levels has been in 20 guilds, has been booted from said guilds for ninja looting, or harassment or any number of things. There is no privacy in this game. You cannot hide where you are in game, what gear you have, or what guild you are in. Until the game institutes tools that allow you to go /anon, /invis, or to block inspects, its all available publically.
Personally I don't want my bank, or my inventory visible. I can't really explain why either, I just dont, maybe its a girl thing. If it were up to me my character would be able to choose when she was visible to everyone. I would prefer if i could choose whether or not EVERYONE could see what instance or zone I was in, Including guildies. I would prefer it if I had control as to whether or not anyone could inspect me. However, The Powers That Be, at BLIZZARD, have decided that we do not get any privacy since THEY, not us, own the toons. Ya'll need to chill. Do you guys post on the blizz boards about having ppl being able to see your toons info? Start there, not here. When Blizzard changes it's policy, then you can come back.
This whole thread is getting silly, I hope that I have clarified the need to have guild history available publically.

[gendril]

Well said Xianna!

[pepsi_cola]

dont go away mad... just go away?

Xianna, its called "a life", go get one. I'm not leaving anytime soon...

As I have stated before, data collection without any user interaction to have the option to hide there profile is wrong. There has to be some justice to all this? Why not face the truth to all this? You know its wrong, just take a moment to reflect on the idea, and you too will see. Bad data that is collected is never updated correctly and it could hamper your very own reputation within the game. We all need to stand up to this corruption and fight back for our characters right, and prosper as one in unison to safe gaurd what we have put in to our characters life. Its a time consuming task and we should take pride at our characters and protect them from this ongoing poison of corruption. Not just throw it all away for some ridiculous data collection that simply exploits what we have created. In closing, I'll simply say this: bad data, redundant data.

[Rollie]

Poison of corruption?

/boggle

[Zimeron]

Xianna, its called "a life", go get one. I'm not leaving anytime soon...

I think what you meant to say was

I'm not leaving anytime soon...because i have no life.

[TheJoKeR]

Xianna, its called "a life", go get one. I'm not leaving anytime soon...

I think what you meant to say was

I'm not leaving anytime soon...because i have no life.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

That was my interpretation too.

To be honest with you, I use this site for gathering info on recruitments for our guilds on two different servers. We promote "Family Oriented Play" as we have children on the game that range from age 7 to Teen. Most of the time parents play on the game with the children but there are times where we have to look out for each other.

Point: We need to be able to trust the players in our guild as we are entrusting them to assist when needed with the children on the game.

I too believe in privacy, in REAL LIFE, but inside an non-existent fictional world that is made up of mystical creatures, there should be no rights.

Thanks

Signed: A parent

EDIT:

If warcraftrealms.com decides to pursue blocking what little info that is provided on the chars from the public, start looking for another site that will open up and provide the same info and maybe more with out your permission.

[pepsi_cola]

Zimeron, perhaps you meant to spell your name as "Zimoron"... Hopefully with your low IQ, you'd get what it means. Next time, mind your own business and don't try to paraphrase what you and your little brain can't comprehend. That is not what I said, so beat it, jerky.

[Rollie]

Okay, enough with the goofy flames. This goes for all of you. Any additional insulting or derogatory posts will be deleted.

I do have plans for characters to be opted out of displaying the character history. However, at the same time, I will be adding several new features to character listings that will hopefully ensure that pertinent data about a character is still available for people to find out about certain characters.

[Hero]

Okay, enough with the goofy flames. This goes for all of you. Any additional insulting or derogatory posts will be deleted.

I do have plans for characters to be opted out of displaying the character history. However, at the same time, I will be adding several new features to character listings that will hopefully ensure that pertinent data about a character is still available for people to find out about certain characters.

That is good.

The problem is that people that want to *hide* generally have something *to hide* from somebody.

Your character service right now let's guild leaders see what the player wants to hide.

I will be most interested to see how you could actually appease both parties because it would appear, to me at least, it's a black or white proposition.

A) Guild hopper doesn't want it known they are a guild hopper
B) Guild Leader doesn't want Guild hoppers

Not sure I see any solution other then have a "turned off, but allow person x to view".

That could be done, but would anybody actually use it? I don't see a normal player hiding their history. I don't see a player that wants to hide their history show it to somebody.

Well ... that's just my opinion.

[Alanthus]

I would add that Blizzard is in a similar quandary regarding an anonymous option, a lot of people want it for various reasons and it's not really a hard thing to add... not to mention it would give them a way to mess up data for thise site. The other side of the coin is of course that a large number of exploits used by money farmers and other shady characters have been discovered and reported by people using /who (teleports, no-aggro hacks etc.)

IMO having the information readily available is much preferred, the only ones that really gain from it not being available are cheaters, griefers and hackers(as in todays meaning of hackers, not the original meaning).

[Rin-sama]

Pepsi, while I understand your need for privacy may just be a quirky part of your personality(I have quirks too, like not wanting people touching my clothes, my eating utesils, or other small personal items), I believe being able to see a characters history is in the best interest of ever honest player.

I am the Co-leader of a mid-sized guild. From time to time I research who the guildies are and what other guilds they have been in. The reason being that on my server there is a guild or two that have admited to scandelous activities. One of those guild broke up recently and have spread themselves out to other guild. As a guild leader it is my duty to make sure the players in my guild are safe. By being able to check player history I can reduce the chances of aqiuring one of those bad seeds. Is you privacy really worth more to you than an item a shady type guildmate(who was admited to your guild because his bad record could not be found) might ninja from you? What if it was the ultimate item for your class? Wouldn't you have rather your guild leader know about that guy before such a sad event occured?

I really do understand the want for anonymity in game. I have had countless times when I wish people did not know I was logged in so they wouldn't ask me for help(sometimes I just want to solo and leave the world behind me).

[Dysfunction]

I simply would like to hear what in my opinion is a valid reason for not displaying character history.

The only decently valid reason (in my opinion) I can think of is to keep your opponents from knowing what you have.
And in that case, you could just give the option to hide banks/inventory/mail/armor etc. or any combination thereof.
Maybe something similar to this site, on which I can (but haven't) choose to hide those options. For me, showing what I have is just easier for my guild. I am the Alchemist and main healer... So showing what I have on hand or what I can make saves me a lot of work.

[Rollie]

Actually the 'items, gear, etc' section can be hidden. This poll was more directed at the character history information instead. And I as of yet to find a serious legit reason for allowing histories to be deleted.

However, I have though of allowing people to hide the histories, but if they did so, then there would be a big "THIS PROFILE HAS BEEN HIDDEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLAYER" pasted on the page so that people using the info will still know to ask more questions.

[Dysfunction]

However, I have though of allowing people to hide the histories, but if they did so, then there would be a big "THIS PROFILE HAS BEEN HIDDEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLAYER" pasted on the page so that people using the info will still know to ask more questions.

Thus negating the argument against doing this?
I'd still be careful if I saw something like that pasted on a profile, ya know?
I guess I read wrong when I replied to this the first time. I had only had 1/2 a cup of coffee

[WyriHaximus]

Bad data that is collected is never updated correctly and it could hamper your very own reputation within the game.

A single person in the LFG channel yelling that your are a ninjalooter can do much easyer and faster large damage to your reputation.

In closing, I'll simply say this: bad data, redundant data.

What specific data is bad and redundant on this site?

We all need to stand up to this corruption and fight back for our characters right, and prosper as one in unison to safe gaurd what we have put in to our characters life. Its a time consuming task and we should take pride at our characters and protect them from this ongoing poison of corruption. Not just throw it all away for some ridiculous data collection that simply exploits what we have created.

In case you didn't realise most people on this site aren't against it .

Okay, enough with the goofy flames. This goes for all of you. Any additional insulting or derogatory posts will be deleted.

I do have plans for characters to be opted out of displaying the character history. However, at the same time, I will be adding several new features to character listings that will hopefully ensure that pertinent data about a character is still available for people to find out about certain characters.

What about some advanced char ratings?

[Rollie]

The problem with ratings is that a group of individuals could easily maninpulate the system. The number of people who would actually do ratings for a character is just too small.

I added the comments section for just such a thing, but I never implemented the ability to hide the profile, hehe.

[Skyfire]

What is it with people and posting on year-old threads?